The problem is that I have friends who call them patriots; there’s no way to bridge the divide…they believe the election was stolen, and the ‘pediphiles’ had to be stopped. As long as the disinformation works, Trump can do anything.
When Russia started Bombing Ukraine I was watching CNN interview a man whose home/apartment was being bombed. He was talking to his dad in Russia, and his own father didn't believe what was happening: that is the power of propaganda-when you're telling your dad you're scared, you're seeing missiles around you, you might die, and your dad doesn't believe you while it's happening. It struck me so hard that this is ultimate goal of disinformation. Perhaps a minority of people support fascism, but most people don't; I can't believe that. I really think that people are misinformed. I posted quite a few things that Biden had accomplished on FB the other day: Lowered prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients: Capped insulin prices at $35/month for seniors, stuff like that, and someone commented: "No way!" Like that didn't happen. This is not a low information voter-I believe this is someone deluded by some algorithm she must be in; it's as if she's never been exposed to the truth.
How can you be friends with people who are so delusional? What do you even talk about with them? How do you find common ground? If they are so out of touch with reality you aren’t concerned that they might turn on you? My mom had psychosis at the end of her life, she had that gang stalking delusion that eventually told her I must be in on it too because I don’t believe it’s happening. “They” got to me and when she was justifying the Blade Runner guys “PTSD” reaction that ended his girlfriend’s life I knew it was unsafe to try to stay with her to try to help her.
How long before your friends decide that you are a pedophile too because you vote for the Dems?
Propaganda works. Social media is the biggest bullhorn (how appropriate) in human history. Authors like George Orwell knew this.
Maggie JK, I'm expecting Trump to start telling his followers to report "enemies of the state" to "authorities." Start reading about how authoritarian regimes work for your own protection. Forewarned is forearmed.
Shortly after the election I was seeing people reminding Democrats that calling immigration on Trump supporting immigrants would make them as bad as Trump.
Of course that doesn’t mean anyone was actually discussing doing that, after we lost reproductive rights a whole bunch of people were screaming about how we would be no better than the Trumpers if we vandalized churches when literally nobody was talking about vandalizing churches.
But yeah there’s going to be all kinds of snitching going on I’m afraid, and it’s Important that none of us become what we hate.
Propaganda does work, just look at Joseph Goebbels when he was minister of propaganda for Hitler; in so many words he said "a lie repeated often enough becomes truth...". Trump and his followers have taken up that mantra,
I have a friend of several years who is a Trumper. She, too, is intelligent and well educated, and we used to have great times together, B.T. We're still OK as long as we "don't go there." A few times, though (okay, after a few drinks), I've foolishly thought just maybe we might be able to have a rational discussion on a topic related to Trump. Her eyes bug out of their sockets and she starts in on me, just verbally blasting me with every harebrained bullshit talking point she can muster. It's sad. And futile.
J6 traitors pardoning is not surprising, except for the fact that i-POTUS actually kept a promise.
I am disgusted. I am outraged. I am concerned for the safety of our society.
I am sad for what we as people - here, and abroad - are entering into.
I am also ready as ready can possibly be. I've watched the monsters become faux heroes, I've watched the stupid become the credible, I've watched violence become an accepted form of speech.
I believe what my eyes have seen. I don't need to jump off a cliff to believe in gravity, just as I don't need to act surprised when the inhuman fulfill their lack of humanity.
I have to clarify what I mean when I say "I am as ready as ready can possibly be."
After rereading my post I realized people might interpret that as "uh oh, big Jon is a prepper?" The answer to that potential question is, uh, no. Not at all. Who has the time to spend their only life preparing for an eventual inevitability? Today is today, and in the most practical sense, it is all we have.
"..ready as ready can possibly be" is this: emotionally and Mentally. Nothing more, nothing less. Thank you!
He didn't keep his promise: both he and the barely-visible veep said very specifically that the violent criminals wouldn't be pardoned and it would all be handled on a case-by-case basis. He's even counting on people to consider this a promise kept rather than one more thing he stomped all over.
He said before a crowd that Elon Musk helped rig the vote count in Pennsylvania. Is anyone reporting? Is anyone investigating? He can just say it out loud now, knowing that if there is an investigation, it will take years to adjudicate, and in the meantime, he can commit dozens more crimes. We are clearly incapable of dealing with a criminal political organization merged with a criminal media universe.
I’m a middle-aged woman who was still using the period tracking app on my iPhone because hormone trigger migraines and there’s literally no chance I could get pregnant so I figured they can have my data, whatever.
A couple weeks ago the app sent me a notification to tell me I haven’t logged period in since September and it asked me if I wanted to add one. I just closed it out because I don’t.
Then I received a “welcome to the family” email from Carter’s baby clothes because they claim that I signed up for emails regarding baby clothes. I received that email 117 days after the 1st of my last period, so right before I hit the four month mark in my “pregnancy”.
I’m telling everyone. I mean we all know that they do this but to have it happen to me and to see evidence of it was jarring
I just said this to Joanne: Support the ACLU, Common Cause, March for Our Lives, and other organizations that will file lawsuits. Ask your congressperson to support articles of impeachment.
Support the ACLU, Common Cause, March for Our Lives, and other organizations that will file lawsuits. Ask your congressperson to support articles of impeachment.
The ACLU is not on our side anymore. Just like the anti-defamation league is not on our side anymore after they try to pretend a Nazi salute wasn’t a Nazi salute
I remember when they went by “JADL” as in Jewish. Sure got my attention when they dropped the J, never learned the real reason but when I read this comment, a brief flicker went on. No, actually it was totally obvious.
I don't remember that, and I'm pretty old so it should. One of my Sunday School teachers worked for them. Of course this was sixty years ago. He was wonderful. But that was then and this is now.
Randy, I saw a headline that said Los Angeles County is sending mental health professionals out to see fire victims. Did your county do that with the Camp Fire?
I am 83 and disabled, and send money to different causes as often as I can, sign petitions, and make phone calls to legislators on occasion. Since I live in Indiana, a very red state, it can feel very discouraging at times, but I try to keep going. And joining some groups online helps, too. I recommend Interfaith Alliance as a group which is very active in communicating with members and encouraging different actions for us. They have recently allied themselves with other groups, too. You can check it out on their website.
It is my fervent wish that every one of the J6 terrorists that Trump turned loose on America meets the fate of the Pizzagate terrorist who, in his fever swamp of MAGA dreams, thought pulling a gun on a cop was a good idea.
Sometimes the universe takes care of us. I live in New Hampshire and we have a little Nazi cell out by Keene, they come into the capital city whenever drag queens do story hour at a coffee shop. The last time they came and harassed people their leader suddenly died a day or two later. It was great because then they started fighting amongst themselves because some of them were happy about it and the others were mad at the happy ones.
Dean, he's not copying the fascist's textbooks. He's using them as a list. I strongly suggest people here start reading books like The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich while they can. Forewarned is forearmed.
The police were enforcing the law of The United States of America (Democracy). The rioters were enforcing the law of trumpistan (MAGA Fascism). The internal cold war between The United States of America and trumpistan has started. trump recruited (pardoned) 1500 volunteers. I hope the war doesn't go hot.
I'm hoping it will be at an end then. When I'm feeling exceedingly optimistic, I can hope that there will be a sea change come mid-terms. Really scary to me, though, that he announced on day one that people can commit violence in his name and have no fear of reprisal, much less legal consequences.
I don't even recognize my country any more. I'm sick, disgusted, and revolted by what Trump and the republican vulgarians are doing to my beloved nation. God help us, because we know the republicans won't.
Boiling is not the word. Subatomic head explosions!
Fucking sickening!
The problem is that I have friends who call them patriots; there’s no way to bridge the divide…they believe the election was stolen, and the ‘pediphiles’ had to be stopped. As long as the disinformation works, Trump can do anything.
Your friends support fascism. They know it. Don't let them gaslight you.
When Russia started Bombing Ukraine I was watching CNN interview a man whose home/apartment was being bombed. He was talking to his dad in Russia, and his own father didn't believe what was happening: that is the power of propaganda-when you're telling your dad you're scared, you're seeing missiles around you, you might die, and your dad doesn't believe you while it's happening. It struck me so hard that this is ultimate goal of disinformation. Perhaps a minority of people support fascism, but most people don't; I can't believe that. I really think that people are misinformed. I posted quite a few things that Biden had accomplished on FB the other day: Lowered prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients: Capped insulin prices at $35/month for seniors, stuff like that, and someone commented: "No way!" Like that didn't happen. This is not a low information voter-I believe this is someone deluded by some algorithm she must be in; it's as if she's never been exposed to the truth.
How can you be friends with people who are so delusional? What do you even talk about with them? How do you find common ground? If they are so out of touch with reality you aren’t concerned that they might turn on you? My mom had psychosis at the end of her life, she had that gang stalking delusion that eventually told her I must be in on it too because I don’t believe it’s happening. “They” got to me and when she was justifying the Blade Runner guys “PTSD” reaction that ended his girlfriend’s life I knew it was unsafe to try to stay with her to try to help her.
How long before your friends decide that you are a pedophile too because you vote for the Dems?
Propaganda works. Social media is the biggest bullhorn (how appropriate) in human history. Authors like George Orwell knew this.
Maggie JK, I'm expecting Trump to start telling his followers to report "enemies of the state" to "authorities." Start reading about how authoritarian regimes work for your own protection. Forewarned is forearmed.
Shortly after the election I was seeing people reminding Democrats that calling immigration on Trump supporting immigrants would make them as bad as Trump.
Of course that doesn’t mean anyone was actually discussing doing that, after we lost reproductive rights a whole bunch of people were screaming about how we would be no better than the Trumpers if we vandalized churches when literally nobody was talking about vandalizing churches.
But yeah there’s going to be all kinds of snitching going on I’m afraid, and it’s Important that none of us become what we hate.
Propaganda does work, just look at Joseph Goebbels when he was minister of propaganda for Hitler; in so many words he said "a lie repeated often enough becomes truth...". Trump and his followers have taken up that mantra,
You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Don't even bother trying. They cannot be reached because they're in a cult.
I have an intelligent and educated relative who is a trumper, and believes Biden is a pedophile. Needless to say, we don't speak much.
I have a friend of several years who is a Trumper. She, too, is intelligent and well educated, and we used to have great times together, B.T. We're still OK as long as we "don't go there." A few times, though (okay, after a few drinks), I've foolishly thought just maybe we might be able to have a rational discussion on a topic related to Trump. Her eyes bug out of their sockets and she starts in on me, just verbally blasting me with every harebrained bullshit talking point she can muster. It's sad. And futile.
J6 traitors pardoning is not surprising, except for the fact that i-POTUS actually kept a promise.
I am disgusted. I am outraged. I am concerned for the safety of our society.
I am sad for what we as people - here, and abroad - are entering into.
I am also ready as ready can possibly be. I've watched the monsters become faux heroes, I've watched the stupid become the credible, I've watched violence become an accepted form of speech.
I believe what my eyes have seen. I don't need to jump off a cliff to believe in gravity, just as I don't need to act surprised when the inhuman fulfill their lack of humanity.
The only reason he did that is because they will be useful to him.
I have to clarify what I mean when I say "I am as ready as ready can possibly be."
After rereading my post I realized people might interpret that as "uh oh, big Jon is a prepper?" The answer to that potential question is, uh, no. Not at all. Who has the time to spend their only life preparing for an eventual inevitability? Today is today, and in the most practical sense, it is all we have.
"..ready as ready can possibly be" is this: emotionally and Mentally. Nothing more, nothing less. Thank you!
He didn't keep his promise: both he and the barely-visible veep said very specifically that the violent criminals wouldn't be pardoned and it would all be handled on a case-by-case basis. He's even counting on people to consider this a promise kept rather than one more thing he stomped all over.
didn't know that. thank you for the insight!
He said before a crowd that Elon Musk helped rig the vote count in Pennsylvania. Is anyone reporting? Is anyone investigating? He can just say it out loud now, knowing that if there is an investigation, it will take years to adjudicate, and in the meantime, he can commit dozens more crimes. We are clearly incapable of dealing with a criminal political organization merged with a criminal media universe.
I think that when the leader of any country commits such crimes, THE MlLITARY has the right to arrest him!!!
Any advice for what outraged citizens can do in response to this and trump’s other assaults on law, order, civility and democracy?
Take notes of anything unusual, then hide the notes and do nothing to let anyone know what you are doing.
That is what Europeans did back in the 40’s.
I’m a middle-aged woman who was still using the period tracking app on my iPhone because hormone trigger migraines and there’s literally no chance I could get pregnant so I figured they can have my data, whatever.
A couple weeks ago the app sent me a notification to tell me I haven’t logged period in since September and it asked me if I wanted to add one. I just closed it out because I don’t.
Then I received a “welcome to the family” email from Carter’s baby clothes because they claim that I signed up for emails regarding baby clothes. I received that email 117 days after the 1st of my last period, so right before I hit the four month mark in my “pregnancy”.
I’m telling everyone. I mean we all know that they do this but to have it happen to me and to see evidence of it was jarring
OMG. Have you called Carter to complain? I would.
I just said this to Joanne: Support the ACLU, Common Cause, March for Our Lives, and other organizations that will file lawsuits. Ask your congressperson to support articles of impeachment.
To all of those who said, "oh it's just bluster. He's not gonna do most of what he said," this was just day 1!
"You're just overreacting." Yeah, right. I've read my history and tried to warn people.
Oh yeah, I’m extremely upset by all of this, but what does say 73 year old grandma do about it? This is just wrong…
Support the ACLU, Common Cause, March for Our Lives, and other organizations that will file lawsuits. Ask your congressperson to support articles of impeachment.
The ACLU is not on our side anymore. Just like the anti-defamation league is not on our side anymore after they try to pretend a Nazi salute wasn’t a Nazi salute
Despite the fact that I'm Jewish, I have long despised the Anti-Defamation League. What did the ACLU do? I have mixed feelings about them.
I remember when they went by “JADL” as in Jewish. Sure got my attention when they dropped the J, never learned the real reason but when I read this comment, a brief flicker went on. No, actually it was totally obvious.
I don't remember that, and I'm pretty old so it should. One of my Sunday School teachers worked for them. Of course this was sixty years ago. He was wonderful. But that was then and this is now.
Randy, I saw a headline that said Los Angeles County is sending mental health professionals out to see fire victims. Did your county do that with the Camp Fire?
I feel the same way. Just sort of helpless because I am 67F.
I am 83 and disabled, and send money to different causes as often as I can, sign petitions, and make phone calls to legislators on occasion. Since I live in Indiana, a very red state, it can feel very discouraging at times, but I try to keep going. And joining some groups online helps, too. I recommend Interfaith Alliance as a group which is very active in communicating with members and encouraging different actions for us. They have recently allied themselves with other groups, too. You can check it out on their website.
So are my wife and I. All we can do is support the organizations that are fighting for us all.
Just as in the last WW, make and hide notes of everything out of ordinary.
Trump has his own private militia, who now OWE him. This is beyond dangerous. We have a presidential goon squad. Shades of the Brown Shirts.
It is my fervent wish that every one of the J6 terrorists that Trump turned loose on America meets the fate of the Pizzagate terrorist who, in his fever swamp of MAGA dreams, thought pulling a gun on a cop was a good idea.
Sometimes the universe takes care of us. I live in New Hampshire and we have a little Nazi cell out by Keene, they come into the capital city whenever drag queens do story hour at a coffee shop. The last time they came and harassed people their leader suddenly died a day or two later. It was great because then they started fighting amongst themselves because some of them were happy about it and the others were mad at the happy ones.
Especially in light of this, the only reason I can see police officers supporting MAGA is just pure racism and xenophobia.
Self protection, too. I wouldn't want an armed MAGA partner in a patrol car with me, either.
Police groups are not happy today, to see who all have been pardoned...
I have a similar situation. Do not make a public stand yet.
This is a script of “How to Build an Army of Loyal Supporters.”
He wants an army of violent supporters. Then they will be ready at a moment’s notice.
Dean, he's not copying the fascist's textbooks. He's using them as a list. I strongly suggest people here start reading books like The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich while they can. Forewarned is forearmed.
The police were enforcing the law of The United States of America (Democracy). The rioters were enforcing the law of trumpistan (MAGA Fascism). The internal cold war between The United States of America and trumpistan has started. trump recruited (pardoned) 1500 volunteers. I hope the war doesn't go hot.
America is in for four years of Hell.
I'm hoping it will be at an end then. When I'm feeling exceedingly optimistic, I can hope that there will be a sea change come mid-terms. Really scary to me, though, that he announced on day one that people can commit violence in his name and have no fear of reprisal, much less legal consequences.
my blood is boiling. but is also tempered with cold fear of what could be (and probably is) coming. they scare the hell out of me.
I don't even recognize my country any more. I'm sick, disgusted, and revolted by what Trump and the republican vulgarians are doing to my beloved nation. God help us, because we know the republicans won't.