Thank you for such a clear explanation of what the Colorado Supreme Court decided. I hope and pray that SCOTUS is also willing to uphold our Constitution.
The amount of time and money and anguish we have dedicated to this criminal is just unbelievable. I watch his followers and think we have surely failed to produce a semi-educated and informed citizenry. Every time he opens his mouth my jaw just drops at the hatred and drivel and ignorance coming out, and that people eat it up is beyond scary. Just want to shake people until they get it! Now we’ll see if the originalists really are for the constitution or for protecting - can’t think of a word that adequately describes him.
#tRUmp continues to undermine the #constitution while spouting #Hitler talking points. Guess #Ivana discussing #tRUmp keeping #MeinKampf on his bedside table should probably be shouted from the highest of highs!
Although the Supreme Court is highly partisan, I am optimistic it will rule against Trump. Years ago, I believe Gorsuch wrote a decision similar to this one which would make it unlikely to go the opposite way, but not unheard of with Republicans. I also believe Robert’s will side against Trump making a 5 - 4 decision. Then comes the Republican attack on the Tennessee Three, which is NOTHING like Jan. 6, but they will go after them, anyway.
All those state’s rights people are suddenly going to find Jesus in the federal government’s Supreme Court and say, no, the state of Colorado cannot do this!
if SCOTUS determines Trump is disqualified by way of Sect 3 of the 14th Amendment he is barred from ever being sworn in as President. The only way to lift that bar is if 2/3's of BOTH US Senate and House agreed to allow him to serve, (Not happening)
Cindy: Maybe so. I had always thought that the ability to identify onself as a fascist or member of any other political philosophy required a bit more understanding. (One of Mussolini's advisors invented the term.) However, with what Biden is doing against Gaza, makes me accept the political wisdom of W c. Fields: "I never vote for! I always vote against!" Maybe this is just a personal quibble I have with our language..
The Supreme Court is in a bit of a sticky situation. Based on previous decisions, they have seen anger grow towards them, which has further escalated due to ethical impropriety. I think the majority of lower courts will continue to side with the Constitution and if the Supremes don’t support our Democracy, people will march.
Trump has pulled so much crap, people lose track and forget things. And his in-the-spotlight skill at superficially looking like an ordinary person with a modicum of decency and even humor can, it seems, be tragically hypnotic for some.
His all-too-real, complete lack of decency is actually a hard-wired, pathological condition that it is hard for most of us to wrap our heads around. But it is something that IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
Thanks Dean as always! I do believe all presidents are required to take an Oath of Office...so then how could his idiot lawyers argue that he wasn’t an officer? Boggles the mind!
The court added, “The drafters of Section Three were motivated by a sense of betrayal; that is, by the existence of a broken oath, not by the type of officer who broke it.”
Incorrectly interpreted... The authors were clear that they targeted Confederate soldiers and Confederate politicians. In other words, they cared as to what type of officer broke it.
One of the constitutions laws of the land if for the tripartite government to supply “checks and balances” in the Democratic Republic. We no longer have that. The courts have been filled with Republican party people all the way to SCOTUS. What the Colorado Supreme Court did was to actually uphold the constitution. Justices are not supposed to be partisan. They’re supposed to deeply understand the constitution and uphold it regardless. That many of them too have sold out, or are corrupted and dominated by, beholden to, party powers destroys the constitution we all pledge to stand for, but few of us do. It’s not easy to be a truly Democratic citizen.
Both parties have members deeply subverted and corrupted. Checks and balances are out of whack. A real democracy by for and of all the people is highly inconvenient to corporate profiteering enterprises and the many industrial complexes that run our country into the ground.
Colorado is barely a blue state. District 3, my district elected Lauren Boebert twice now. She’s a Trumpist all the way. It’s gone red in the past. Been called swing. Had redistricting gerrymandered toward red which is a National problem. Since Goldwater’s defeat and the ‘60s there’s been a concerted effort to use democratic principles to undermine democracy. It began long before that, but the election of a Catholic that challenged much of the power brokers and military industrial complex Ike Eisenhower warned us about, by keeping us out of an early proxy war with the then USSR in Cuba sealed his and his brother’s fates. 60 years later and we barely resemble the democracy we still had even then.
Liberals are supposed to stand for the liberating principle of Life, for our inalienable right to freedom, to pursue what enlivens us to live better lives with One another, in Union.
Conservatives for conserving Life, Freedom, the common law of ethical living which promotes Union in diversity based upon commonalities of what constitutes well-being.
Basically our fellow citizen’s good is ours and vice versa. It’s living by the golden rule that underlies a successful democracy. We’re so unethical now it’s not even funny.
Neither of the liberal or conservatives, those that label themselves or are labeled by the others rarely do if you look at their works. They are neither liberating what impedes nor conserving what assists life, Liberty and the pursuits of happiness, the union of diversity in wholesome ways. They are busy undermining anything good either of them come up with because party domination that favors the rich profiteers is considered more beneficial than preserving democracy for all of us.
We all have liberating and conserving ethics that guide our lives. Finding the people willing to live as civil servants who embody those as seen by what they do, walking their talk, takes some investigative work. Having most of the “news” media owned and operated by partisan profiteering industrial complex agendas doesn’t serve the ethical agenda either. Having a population overly stressed to just make ends meet month to month, which is part of the agenda manipulating the oppressed and suffering to take sides fermenting uncivil behavior, further dividing us, is the divide and conquer agenda working well.
It needs to be called out and understood for what it is. We need the voices of and for freedom and our inalienable rights designed to both liberate and conserve democracy genuinely to be heard. Thank Goodness it’s still going on, grateful for this considered thoughtful well-researched piece.
May the willingness to do what it takes to liberate what interferes and conserve what supports the goodwill for all people of the earth arise in the hearts and souls, minds and bodies of all people. May we support the earth in continuing to provide what supports the infinite diversity of Life that all works together in harmony to do so. Life in a democracy that allows us to be as we are as long as we cause no harm is such a gift. May we uphold it. 🙏
By citing the 14th Amendment, conditions of the 14th Amendment need to be met... in this case, they are not. Only an “officer” is eligible to be charged with succession and Justice Roberts ruled, in 2010, the President is not an officer. Obama was President, at the time of the ruling, so the ruling cannot be politicized.
Thank you for such a clear explanation of what the Colorado Supreme Court decided. I hope and pray that SCOTUS is also willing to uphold our Constitution.
Glad you liked it!
The amount of time and money and anguish we have dedicated to this criminal is just unbelievable. I watch his followers and think we have surely failed to produce a semi-educated and informed citizenry. Every time he opens his mouth my jaw just drops at the hatred and drivel and ignorance coming out, and that people eat it up is beyond scary. Just want to shake people until they get it! Now we’ll see if the originalists really are for the constitution or for protecting - can’t think of a word that adequately describes him.
#tRUmp continues to undermine the #constitution while spouting #Hitler talking points. Guess #Ivana discussing #tRUmp keeping #MeinKampf on his bedside table should probably be shouted from the highest of highs!
Although the Supreme Court is highly partisan, I am optimistic it will rule against Trump. Years ago, I believe Gorsuch wrote a decision similar to this one which would make it unlikely to go the opposite way, but not unheard of with Republicans. I also believe Robert’s will side against Trump making a 5 - 4 decision. Then comes the Republican attack on the Tennessee Three, which is NOTHING like Jan. 6, but they will go after them, anyway.
I have little faith in SCOTUS, but will remain hopeful they will uphold the COSC decision.
One minor point: write-in ballots with Trump’s name on them will not even be counted.
All those state’s rights people are suddenly going to find Jesus in the federal government’s Supreme Court and say, no, the state of Colorado cannot do this!
Accusations are always confessions with trump and the MAGA base.
If the SCOTUS rules against Trump in Colorado does this clear the way for other states to take him off the ballot?
if SCOTUS determines Trump is disqualified by way of Sect 3 of the 14th Amendment he is barred from ever being sworn in as President. The only way to lift that bar is if 2/3's of BOTH US Senate and House agreed to allow him to serve, (Not happening)
And then all of his supporters quietly disappear, never to be heard from again, and we all live happily ever after.
🎉🎉🎉
Cindy: Maybe so. I had always thought that the ability to identify onself as a fascist or member of any other political philosophy required a bit more understanding. (One of Mussolini's advisors invented the term.) However, with what Biden is doing against Gaza, makes me accept the political wisdom of W c. Fields: "I never vote for! I always vote against!" Maybe this is just a personal quibble I have with our language..
The Supreme Court is in a bit of a sticky situation. Based on previous decisions, they have seen anger grow towards them, which has further escalated due to ethical impropriety. I think the majority of lower courts will continue to side with the Constitution and if the Supremes don’t support our Democracy, people will march.
Trump has pulled so much crap, people lose track and forget things. And his in-the-spotlight skill at superficially looking like an ordinary person with a modicum of decency and even humor can, it seems, be tragically hypnotic for some.
His all-too-real, complete lack of decency is actually a hard-wired, pathological condition that it is hard for most of us to wrap our heads around. But it is something that IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.
Thanks Dean as always! I do believe all presidents are required to take an Oath of Office...so then how could his idiot lawyers argue that he wasn’t an officer? Boggles the mind!
...my gut sense: scotus declines the case
The court added, “The drafters of Section Three were motivated by a sense of betrayal; that is, by the existence of a broken oath, not by the type of officer who broke it.”
Incorrectly interpreted... The authors were clear that they targeted Confederate soldiers and Confederate politicians. In other words, they cared as to what type of officer broke it.
Appreciate the information greatly.
One of the constitutions laws of the land if for the tripartite government to supply “checks and balances” in the Democratic Republic. We no longer have that. The courts have been filled with Republican party people all the way to SCOTUS. What the Colorado Supreme Court did was to actually uphold the constitution. Justices are not supposed to be partisan. They’re supposed to deeply understand the constitution and uphold it regardless. That many of them too have sold out, or are corrupted and dominated by, beholden to, party powers destroys the constitution we all pledge to stand for, but few of us do. It’s not easy to be a truly Democratic citizen.
Both parties have members deeply subverted and corrupted. Checks and balances are out of whack. A real democracy by for and of all the people is highly inconvenient to corporate profiteering enterprises and the many industrial complexes that run our country into the ground.
Colorado is barely a blue state. District 3, my district elected Lauren Boebert twice now. She’s a Trumpist all the way. It’s gone red in the past. Been called swing. Had redistricting gerrymandered toward red which is a National problem. Since Goldwater’s defeat and the ‘60s there’s been a concerted effort to use democratic principles to undermine democracy. It began long before that, but the election of a Catholic that challenged much of the power brokers and military industrial complex Ike Eisenhower warned us about, by keeping us out of an early proxy war with the then USSR in Cuba sealed his and his brother’s fates. 60 years later and we barely resemble the democracy we still had even then.
Liberals are supposed to stand for the liberating principle of Life, for our inalienable right to freedom, to pursue what enlivens us to live better lives with One another, in Union.
Conservatives for conserving Life, Freedom, the common law of ethical living which promotes Union in diversity based upon commonalities of what constitutes well-being.
Basically our fellow citizen’s good is ours and vice versa. It’s living by the golden rule that underlies a successful democracy. We’re so unethical now it’s not even funny.
Neither of the liberal or conservatives, those that label themselves or are labeled by the others rarely do if you look at their works. They are neither liberating what impedes nor conserving what assists life, Liberty and the pursuits of happiness, the union of diversity in wholesome ways. They are busy undermining anything good either of them come up with because party domination that favors the rich profiteers is considered more beneficial than preserving democracy for all of us.
We all have liberating and conserving ethics that guide our lives. Finding the people willing to live as civil servants who embody those as seen by what they do, walking their talk, takes some investigative work. Having most of the “news” media owned and operated by partisan profiteering industrial complex agendas doesn’t serve the ethical agenda either. Having a population overly stressed to just make ends meet month to month, which is part of the agenda manipulating the oppressed and suffering to take sides fermenting uncivil behavior, further dividing us, is the divide and conquer agenda working well.
It needs to be called out and understood for what it is. We need the voices of and for freedom and our inalienable rights designed to both liberate and conserve democracy genuinely to be heard. Thank Goodness it’s still going on, grateful for this considered thoughtful well-researched piece.
May the willingness to do what it takes to liberate what interferes and conserve what supports the goodwill for all people of the earth arise in the hearts and souls, minds and bodies of all people. May we support the earth in continuing to provide what supports the infinite diversity of Life that all works together in harmony to do so. Life in a democracy that allows us to be as we are as long as we cause no harm is such a gift. May we uphold it. 🙏
By citing the 14th Amendment, conditions of the 14th Amendment need to be met... in this case, they are not. Only an “officer” is eligible to be charged with succession and Justice Roberts ruled, in 2010, the President is not an officer. Obama was President, at the time of the ruling, so the ruling cannot be politicized.